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513. Should Public Transit Be Free? (Update)

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🗓️ 30 November 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

It boosts economic opportunity and social mobility. It’s good for the environment. So why do we charge people to use it? The short answer: it’s complicated. Also: We talk to the man who gets half the nation’s mass-transit riders where they want to go (most of the time).

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0:00.0

How important is public transportation where you live?

0:07.0

In most of the US at least, the answer is not very.

0:12.0

But in New York City. In New York transit is like air and water you

0:16.8

needed to survive and so we've done I think a pretty good job of making

0:21.6

transit affordable in New York. It's like between

0:24.1

10 and 15 percent the cost of owning an automobile. That is Jano Leiber. I'm the chair and

0:29.9

CEO of the MTA in New York City. Also known as the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

0:35.0

MTA is the New York State Agency that operates the subways, the buses, the power transit operation, and the commuter railroads, as well as a lot of our

0:45.4

toll, bridges, and tunnels in the New York area.

0:48.6

I read here that the MTA network has not only the nation's biggest bus fleet, but also more subway and commuter rail cars than all other U.S. transit systems combined.

1:01.0

Is that possibly true?

1:02.0

Yeah, that's definitely true.

1:03.7

We carry close to half of the nation's mass transit passengers.

1:08.7

So yes, public transit in New York is pretty important, maybe not quite as important as air and water, like

1:14.7

Leiber says, but still, before COVID, the subway system had five and a half million riders

1:20.5

every weekday and another two million on buses. The agency's annual

1:25.4

operating budget is around 20 billion dollars and how much of that comes from

1:30.3

the fares paid by riders? Not as much as you might think. About 25% of our budget is pure

1:38.7

fairbox from mass transit. Tolls are about two and a half billion dollars, and then the balance is a mix of

1:47.2

dedicated taxes and fees, some state and local government support.

1:52.3

There is a growing argument that public transit is good for the environment, good for

1:57.8

economic opportunity and social mobility, basically good for everybody. So we thought it might be worth asking, should

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