Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Hey everyone, welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast. I'm your host, Cathergantz's

Apologist and Speaker, Trent Horn. Today we're going to have a dialogue on the

question of what would prove God exists? What should we look for when we look to

evidence for the existence of God? And kind of a follow-up to my previous

episode that I did on the one question atheists can't answer, which I admit it's

a little bit of a click baby title, but that's okay. As long as you deliver on the

bait, I always think that that's fine. So my guest today is John, the

counter-apologist, he has YouTube channel, I believe he has a blog and other

resources where he engages in counter apologetics. But part of me feels like it's

like, I guess, John, you're here. It's like you're a counter-apologist to

Christianity. It's like a my counter-apologist to atheism, you know. Yeah, so you

could definitely, yeah, you could certainly frame it that way. I'm used to, you

know, apologists basically almost has the connotation of like, oh, I'm a

religious apologist, I guess, right? So now, now when you talk about like this,

this seems to be a good amount of us philosophically, philosophy of religion

inclined atheists, I guess you might say we're atheists apologists if you're

gonna be more accurate. Yeah, because I've noticed this online a little bit.

Sometimes I have been the recipient of this backhanded compliment or

denigration, I'm not sure what it is saying. Oh, it's he's just an apologist. And

I believe that that and I understand that there are people who engage in

apologetics that have a very limited skill set and knowledge and come off

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