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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

560. When Does Masculinity Become Toxic? | David French

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.6 • 34.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Sparked by French’s recent New York Times article, “The Democrats’ $20 Million Man Problem,” he and Jordan Peterson discuss the societal failures contributing to male alienation—fatherlessness, loss of purpose, overmedication, and a culture that increasingly pathologizes masculinity. French shares personal insights as a father, veteran, and conservative commentator (Who is regularly published in Liberal outlets), and the two expand on themes of demoralization, the need for intentional rites of passage, and the psychological appeal of figures like Andrew Tate. The conversation closes with a stark agreement—we urgently need to reach young men with empathy, structure, and a meaningful vision for life. This episode was filmed on July 2nd, 2025 | Links | For David French: On X https://x.com/davidafrench?lang=en Read David’s work on the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french#latest Read David’s most recent book, “Divided We Fall: America's Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation” https://a.co/d/1Ne3VBS

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0:00.0

I reached out to you for the podcast because I read an article you wrote in the New York Times

0:07.0

recently entitled The Democrats $20 million man problem, the most positive article that has been

0:15.6

published about me in the New York Times. Yeah, I really do feel like a lot of the things that are

0:21.8

ripping America apart will begin to ease if we can deal with this loneliness, this alienization,

0:28.7

this lack of belonging. How we got here is quite the bloody miracle. People were celebrating the

0:34.6

demise of men or denying the demise of men or beginning to characterize

0:39.3

traditional masculinity as inherently toxic. And what that told a lot of young men was not,

0:46.2

well, you have a problem and instead was telling these young men, you are the problem.

1:06.2

... are the problem. Hello, everybody.

1:08.0

So a small miracle occurred in, at the end of May this year,

1:13.0

the New York Times wrote a piece that featured me that was positive,

1:18.6

or at least mostly positive.

1:20.6

And it was entitled, The Democrats' $20 million man problem.

1:25.6

It was written by journalist, David French. and David had written a couple of pieces about me

1:31.6

and some positive and some less so and I thought it would be very interesting to

1:38.4

talk to him about the Democrats 20 million dollar man problem now we ranged much more widely than merely that,

1:47.0

but that's the focus of the conversation. So join us for that.

1:52.0

I felt that the Democrats' investment of $20 million to solve their problem with men was money spent so absurdly badly that

2:04.8

it was a kind of staggering miracle. And I thought we could have a conversation about all of that,

2:12.4

because you're obviously concerned about the Democrats' man problem, but more deeply, you have the sense,

2:22.9

not to put words in your mouth, that something is amiss on the masculine front, and you're also

2:28.5

at odds and ends, let's say, about who men should turn to?

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