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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

560 | Living Off the 4% Rule | Marla Taner

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Business, Investing

4.8 β€’ 5.2K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Marla Tanner reached financial independence in 2013 and has lived off the 4% rule ever since β€” through bull markets, bear markets, and a global pandemic. She recently ran the numbers on both her actual experience and a worst-case scenario retirement starting at the peak before 2008. Both outcomes? More than comfortable. Her journey challenges the anxiety many savers face when it's time to flip the switch from accumulation to spending. Timestamps: 00:01:26 – Marla's Background 00:02:04 – Living off the 4% Rule 00:09:39 – Psychology of Retiring Early 00:24:33 – Managing Withdrawals 00:25:51 – Market Timing and Cash Strategy 00:28:46 – Travel Rewards 00:49:10 – Lessons Learned 01:00:17 – Conclusion Key Topics: 4% Rule in Practice: Marla retired in 2013 and has successfully navigated financial independence using the 4% rule through various market conditions (00:02:04). Psychology of the Transition: Shifting from saver to spender poses psychological challenges β€” addressing identity and self-worth beyond work (00:50:21). Cash Cushion Strategy: Keeping two years of expenses in cash provides peace of mind during market volatility (00:25:51). Reassessing Fixed Expenses: Many costs assumed to be fixed are actually negotiable or adjustable (00:43:12). Travel Rewards: Marla maintains an abundant travel lifestyle through strategic use of travel rewards (00:28:46). Resources: Camp Mustache Presentation: Camp Mustache (00:15:22) Related Episode: Episode 77 – Advanced Travel Rewards with Marla Tanner Notable Quotes: "Success in FI hinges on the ability to confidently sell your investments when the time comes." (00:02:28) "The psychology is so much less about the money and so much more about who we think we are." (00:50:21) "You're never gonna regret this decision. So go ahead, follow your plan and live your best life." (00:54:02) "I would encourage everyone to look at their fixed expenses and think about how fixed they really are." (00:43:12)

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Chusify. Today on the show, we have my good friend Marla Tanner, who's here again.

0:05.7

She was on the show way back in episode 77 talking about advanced travel rewards. And that's a

0:11.4

fun one to go back to listen to. But today, she's here to talk about living off the 4% rule.

0:17.6

I think this is something that a lot of people are looking for that example,

0:22.0

right? We always say the world revolves around stories and we're looking for that example of

0:25.8

somebody who has reached FI, who's selling their assets, who's living off the 4% rule and to hear

0:32.5

about their journey, to hear about the mechanics of it, to hear how this all went down and

0:37.1

what's really neat. So moral that I knew would be the perfect person to talk about this mechanics of it, to hear how this all went down and what's really neat.

0:38.6

So Marla, I knew would be the perfect person to talk about this, but she actually just did this

0:42.5

as a presentation at Camp Mustache very recently.

0:45.9

So this was the ideal time to have her on because she's actually run the numbers.

0:49.6

She's run the numbers both on her own life and an alternate scenario of worst case scenario Marla essentially,

0:55.8

which is really, really cool to see how this would have worked out and how it did work out.

1:01.4

And interestingly, and the spoiler is it would have worked out beautifully, even in the

1:05.7

worst case scenario. And it's just really wonderful to see someone living this incredible Phi life and going through the

1:13.3

prototypical path.

1:14.4

And I absolutely love it.

1:15.3

I think you're going to love this episode.

1:16.9

And with that, welcome to choose that Phi.

1:26.4

Marla, my great friend.

1:28.2

Oh, it is so good to see you.

1:29.4

Thanks for coming back in the show.

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