Hicks and Gracie, thank you very much for agreeing to talk with me today.

One of the greatest jujitsu practitioners of all time, arguably the greatest grace of all time.

You're an inspiration to me and a sport that I love a lot. I'm a purple belt, a train here

under Hodgagracie in London. Now I'm scared. No, no, no, V.A. So every day when I train,

or most days that I'm training, I go in there and members of your family are on the wall,

I've got Helio, Holes, Carson, and reading your book was amazing for me because it really brought

these characters to life, gave me an understanding of who they are, your relationship with them,

and you know, with so many people new to the sport of jujitsu, I believe there's probably more

white belts now than ever. It's going to be, give these people such an interesting insight

to who they were and the founders of the sport. So I'm very excited for other people to read your

new book, breathe. So my first question for you today is, many of your famous fights were in

Valletudo, and I'm English, I'm across the pond. It's a terminology I've not heard that much before.

So for people like me or new to jujitsu that haven't heard of Valletudo, how is that different to

other types of martial arts? Valletudo means anything goes, so there's no Holes bar, and basically

is a competition between styles to see who's prevail, you know, to see who's the most effective one.

So it was not a defined rule, it was not a defined set of time or limits or weight divisions or

what you do, you can use headbutts, you can use elbows, you can use knees, you can be on the ground,

you can be standing up. So it's very complex, it's very much anything goes until somebody

surviving the other one be defeated. So this is a very wild perspective in terms of martial arts,

but also give you our awareness of anything possible. So creates a different mentality, not

based on rules, not based on time limits, not based on athleticism or anything like that.

It's about putting all the pieces together of a real martial arts, because sometimes

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