56: Respecting the Rule of Law with Lee Kovarsky
Jen Rubin's Green Room
Jen Rubin's Green Room
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🗓️ 5 June 2024
⏱️ 67 minutes
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They also touch on the issue of presidential immunity and the potential involvement of the Supreme Court. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the breakdown of the federal court system and the challenges faced by prosecutors in dealing with difficult judges.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Jen Rubin, and this is Jen Rubin's green room. So glad you're back. So it's Tuesday as we sit here. |
| 0:17.9 | And Donald Trump has gone on the warpath very predictably against Judge |
| 0:23.5 | Mershan, the jurors, the justice system, the state of New York, because, of course, Donald |
| 0:30.6 | Trump can never lose. If he loses, it's rigged. If it loses, it's corrupt. |
| 0:39.0 | And this is what he does. |
| 0:41.5 | This is what he did in the 2020 election. |
| 0:45.3 | This is what he will do if and when he loses in 2024. |
| 0:49.4 | This is what he'll do after every adverse verdict. |
| 0:52.3 | Because two things. |
| 0:58.3 | One, he, of course, is a pathological narcissist who always has to be right. |
| 1:13.9 | And secondly, this is what authoritarian bullies do. In order to seize power, in order to make sure that institutions bend to their will, they have to first destroy the credibility of them as they exist already. And this is right out of the strongman playbook. When Orban comes to |
| 1:22.5 | power, when the Polish right-wing government comes to power, when South American dictators come to power, |
| 1:30.3 | one of the first things they do after locking up journalists is to go after the independent courts. |
| 1:37.3 | Why? Because that's the biggest impediment to executive power. You have courts out there that |
| 1:42.7 | prevent them from doing things. And that's a no-no |
| 1:45.8 | in the authoritarian playbook. So of course Trump is going to go after Mershon. He's going to go after |
| 1:52.4 | jurors. And because he controls a party that is nothing but a bunch of mini-meas, they all echo that. |
| 2:03.8 | So you now have an entire political party that is attacking the rule of law, that is attacking a judge, that is attacking a jury, |
| 2:09.8 | that is attacking the concept that a prosecutor can bring a case successfully against a former president of the United States. |
| 2:19.3 | That is immensely damaging to our justice system, which depends upon, oh, respect for the rule of law |
| 2:27.7 | and acceptance of outcomes, whether you like them or not. |
| 2:31.8 | And I think it's another one of these inflection points. Are we going to let |
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