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So I went to very protected populations of elephants, of wolves, and of killer whales.

And I found in each place, even though they were so protected that they all faced lethal threats from humans all the time.

Why is it that we need to instill a sense of moral obligation to not cause some species to go extinct?

How can we tell more powerful stories around sustainability to actually move people and inspire action.

That's just the tip of the iceberg of what you'll hear today.

If you're not already following me on Instagram, you can find me there at Kamea at Shane. I'll be sharing more of my ongoing learning lessons, inspirations, resources, and reminders

for you to recenter and stay grounded because we need you in your best health and focus to support this movement.

I look forward to connecting there. And now to our episode, let's dive in.

Hey, it's Kamea Shane and this is Green Dreamer, a podcast for creatives, visionaries, and entrepreneurs

dreaming of a sustainable future.

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Our guest today is a biologist, conservationist, and award-winning author and speaker.

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