With the balloon-framed houses, you have to, and the insulators know this, they know how to do it from the outside.

You have to put in these socks, these net socks, into each Joyce bay.

Otherwise, you start blowing and it's going and going and going, and what you're doing is you're filling the

floor joyce cavity.

Welcome to the Fine Home Building podcast, our weekly discussion of building,

remodeling, and design topics aimed at anybody who cares deeply about the craft and science

of working on houses.

I'm Senior Editor Patrick McComb. Today I'm

joined by Mike Gerton, Fine Homebuilding Editorial Advisor. Hello. Andrew Zellner, Fine Homebuilding

Editorial Director. Morning, Patrick. And Jeff Rose, Senior Editor. Hello.

You can find previous podcasts and check out the show notes at findhomboating.com slash

podcast.

Please email your questions to phb podcast at taunton.com.

It is great to see you guys.

Thanks so much for being here.

Good to be here.

Always a pleasure.

Mike, you're back in Rhode Island, right?

I am. I've been here for two

and a half weeks. Has it been winter in your estimation to the degree that you're not enjoying it?

You know, in southern New England, March is like this, it's my least favorite month in some ways. It's, you know,

you're anticipating spring, hoping for spring, and February's over, and it just rains, and it's in

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