It's time for episode 557 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, June 5th, 2024.

Clockwise, four people, where we live our lives one minute at a time.

My name is Dan Moore, and I'm joined as always across the internet by my good friend, my pal,

my co-hosts the one one and only Micah Sargent.

How are you doing today, Micah?

I'm doing well, although now I'm thinking of like being alive means breathing, and I definitely

don't breathe one minute at a time. And now everybody's focused on their breathing,

and I'm sorry to everybody.

Dan, what's going on?

The more breaths you take, the closer you are to death.

Just remember that.

Anyways, here we-

Oh, great.

This is, of course, the show where we invite on two fantastic guests to discuss four tech topics.

To my left this week is a producer reporter at Texas Standard and contributor at a fine website called Six Colors.

It is Shelley Brisbane.

Welcome back, Shelly.

Hello, thanks for having me.

I will try to breathe through the entirety of the program. To my left is the 9 to 5 Mac editor at

large. It's Zach Hall. Welcome back to the show, Zach. Thank you. You didn't go with senior summer

intern. I want to address that if you take fewer breaths, you're still closer to death.

It doesn't matter. And yesterday in the doctor's office when my two kids were having a fight, I said, just breathe,

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