Marshall here. Welcome back to the realignment. For the past few years, the realignment has been

supported by the Hewell Foundation's Economy and Society Initiative, specifically because I've

explored the ways that the right and left have evolved after President Trump's realignment

of American politics in 2016. A lot of these ideas fall under the banner of post-neoliberalism.

I've covered post-neoliberalism a bunch on this show, but I've never really felt satisfied

by my efforts to explain why post-neoliberalism isn't just a wonky academic jargon term,

irrelevant to people trying to make their way through this moment.

So I was really pumped to learn

about a Hewitt-sponsored conference called Beyond Neoliberalism in the UK, put on by Professor

Gary Gersel of Cambridge University and Noam McGar of Queen Mary University in London.

Today I'm interviewing Gary and Noam about their conference and the broader post-neoliberal

project. Over the next two months, I'm going to feature content from the conference and

interview some of the featured speakers to really build out and make this important space legible

for everyone. Gary literally wrote the book on this topic, The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal

Order, America, and the World in the Free Market era. So he's been on my booking list for a long time.

So before we dive in then, I want to sum up my editorial POV on this topic, really building on

Gary's writing. Over the past century, there were two specific

political orders. From the 1930s, under FDR, to the late 1970s, we lived under the New Deal order.

When President Eisenhower came into office and accepted New Deal programs like Social Security, he solidified

the era's pro-government consensus. By the late 70s, though, as I mentioned, the New Deal

Order broke down, leading to the rise of Ronald Reagan, who took the country in a more market-friendly

and government-sceptical direction, aka neoliberalism.

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