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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

554. What One Billionaire Knows About Outlasting a Dollar Collapse | Michael Saylor

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 9 June 2025

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Michael Saylor explore the evolving relationship between the U.S. government and Bitcoin, Donald Trump’s growing recognition of cryptocurrency as a strategic commodity, the visionary impact of Bitcoin’s founder Satoshi Nakamoto, and the looming convergence of digital currency with our everyday lives. This episode was filmed on May 30th, 2025. | Links | For Michael Saylor: On X https://x.com/saylor Website https://www.michael.com/ Read “What is Money” https://a.co/d/c1t4izi

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0:00.0

On average, the currency collapses every 30 to 40 years in most political jurisdictions for all of human history.

0:08.8

Your storehouse of value, whatever it is, is going to be deflated terribly during your lifetime.

0:15.2

The best currency of the last hundred years is the dollar.

0:18.2

The winning currency of the 20th century the best currency in the world

0:22.6

lost 99.9% of its value that's a winner okay now you come across bitcoin and you talked about it as if

0:29.5

it was abstracted gold if god's not going to set up divine bank and solve all your monetary problem

0:35.3

what's the second best idea we We don't trust the government.

0:38.9

We don't trust a local bank. We don't trust each other. And we want the bank to last for a thousand

0:44.6

years. Let's go ahead and build out this Bitcoin network. My guest today, Michael Saylor started a number of successful companies, successful by almost every standard.

1:11.6

It wasn't sufficient to expand out the full scope of his ambition,

1:17.6

and I would say that in the most positive sense.

1:20.6

He became deeply interested in 2020 in Bitcoin in consequence

1:25.6

and has been at the forefront of a revolution in finance.

1:30.8

His company now owns 3% of the Bitcoin in circulation and the successful company that he built

1:38.8

with blood, sweat and tears, let's say 10 years ago, has become a hyper-successful company

1:43.3

in consequence. He's been an evangelist for Bitcoin.

1:47.0

He's used religious symbolism and terminology to describe it.

1:51.0

He's on fire for Bitcoin.

1:54.0

And we talked about things you really need to know today.

1:58.0

You need to know who Michael Saylor is, where he got his ambition,

2:03.7

how his grounding in fantasy and science fiction allied with the encouragement of his parents

2:11.1

to produce the ambition in him that has culminated in this consequence. You need to know that

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