It's time for episode 543 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, February 28th, 2004.

Clockwise, four people,s where we always look before we leap the day.

My name is Dan Moran, and I am joined across this week, sitting in for Micah Sargent, who is on assignment.

The one, the only only the automator activist. I don't know where I'm going to that. Roseberry Orchard. Hi, Rosemary. How are you?

I'm good, Dan. Thank you. Yeah, it's very exciting to be not Micah for a week. You know,

I did it yesterday, doing it today. You know, it's great that he's on

assignment. Who doesn't love special missions? I'm not, Micah, literally every day. And it's a little

disappointing for everybody involved. Well, this is, of course, the show where we invite two

fantastic guests to talk about four tech topics. To my left this week, it is the editor-in-chief

at No Jitter and a frequent

podcaster over at The Incomparable. It's Lisa Schmeiser. Welcome back, Lisa. Thank you for having me.

I love this podcast. I love being on it. And to my left, it is the one, the only generally nice

person, and I believe that is indeed limitless, creator of call sheet, Casey Liss. Welcome back, Casey. Hello. Thank you for

having me. It is always a pleasure to be here with all of you. Well, let me kick things off today.

Breaking news this week, Apple has killed its EV automated driving project after a decade.

I want to know what your thoughts on this. Are you surprised? Are you

delighted? Are you sad? Lisa, let's start things off with you. I'm really not surprised. I think

what I was always a little bit more surprised by was that Apple didn't pick an automaker to partner

with and work on it in collaboration with them. Like the idea that they would be, we're building your car, here we go.

When they have almost nothing that goes into the auto making industry like that, the whole

project is just baffling.

So I'm glad that this confusing year-lute is over.

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