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543. How to Return Stolen Art

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🗓️ 18 May 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Museums are purging their collections of looted treasures. Can they also get something in return? And what does it mean to be a museum in the 21st century? (Part 3 of “Stealing Art Is Easy. Giving It Back Is Hard.”)

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0:00.0

I mean, I'm quite famous for not doing what I'm told.

0:05.7

Well, it's very convenient for our purposes, I have to say.

0:08.6

You think we're 100% safe here?

0:10.4

Well, we can just keep it whether or not those three.

0:12.9

Well, it's weird.

0:13.9

Especially the man with the big fuzzy microphone.

0:16.9

That is me with Patricia Allen in the Kelvin Grove Museum in Glasgow, Scotland.

0:22.2

Allen is the curator of world cultures for the 11 institutions that make up the Glasgow

0:27.1

museums.

0:28.1

This makes her responsible for all non-European objects in their collections.

0:33.2

We have come to the Kelvin Grove to see a group of objects known as Benin Bronzes.

0:38.6

Artworks and artifacts looted by Britain from the historic Kingdom of Benin in what is

0:44.7

now Nigeria.

0:46.4

The last time I tried to see some Benin Bronzes in a museum at the British Museum in London,

0:52.5

our microphones were confiscated and then, as it turned out, all the Africa galleries

0:57.6

were closed that day.

0:59.4

Today in Glasgow we are having better luck.

1:02.8

This is the head of an ober.

1:04.7

So all of these heads were made by ancestors.

1:09.0

An ober is a Benin king.

1:10.9

A newly crowned ober would make the head of the preceding ober.

1:15.3

They're placed on altars along with other offerings, including things like a bell, there's

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