From Relay, this is Upgrade.

Episode 540, recorded December the 2nd, 2024.

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I am Jason Snell, your usual host, but I'm not doing all the stuff that usually is done by Mike Hurley because Mike Hurley is on assignment.

And so sitting in for Mr. Michael Hurley today is our very special guest, Mr. Stephen M. Hackett.

Oh, I got the initial.

Yeah.

I was fancy.

I wanted to introduce you as I, Stephen M. Hackett.

But that's a little bit weird.

No, I'm inspired the, sorry, I'm going to make a little baseball tangent here.

I apologize.

Okay.

The Giants radio broadcasters, John Miller, Hall of Famer, and Hall of Fame broadcaster, and David Fleming.

Dave Fleming is introduced by John every time as David B. Fleming.

And it's like it's his dad introducing him.

And it just makes me laugh.

So I thought I'd give you the Stephen M.

Since your middle initial is part of your public persona, I thought I'd throw it in there.

Yeah.

I've really tried when I first started on the internet to like make it really real.

Like I included it everywhere, but it sort of faded over time.

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