Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Hey everyone, welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast.

I'm your host, Catholic Answers Apologist and Speaker, Trent Horn.

Today I want to do a kind of debrief and deconstruction, if you will, of the arguments that I made

in my recent devil's advocate debate with Ben Watkins on the issue of abortion.

Now I said at the beginning of that debate, why I did that devil's advocate debate

and what a devil's advocate debate is, I'm going to briefly summarize that.

Then I want to get into the argument.

So devil's advocate debate is where you defend a position you don't normally hold.

So in this debate, instead of doing the pro-life side, I did the pro-choice side.

And I put forward a very particular argument and the reason for that.

Normally I didn't like doing this debate.

I felt kind of icky and I don't like it.

But I thought the debate had utility because I was able in the position I defended,

it was a one that's popular among certain philosophers, but most of the general public

would recoil at it.

And I do believe it is the logical consequence of abortion, that it's the only consistent

view you can have on abortion if you're pro-choice, at least one of the most popular

consistent views that you could have.

But it's morally repugnant to most people.

And so that's why I thought it was worthwhile.

And from that position, I was able to criticize other common views, like saying, oh, well,

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