Hey friends, Elisa Childers here. Welcome to part two of my discussion with Mike Winger

about the atonement. Is it cosmic, child abuse? If you haven't listened to part one, I'd

like to encourage you to go back and listen to that because we are going to jump right

back into the second half of our discussion in just a moment. Stay tuned.

Okay, so for Brian and other progressives to hold this view, they have to somehow reconcile this

with the, I mean, they have to deal with the Bible. You know, they have to say something about

the Bible. So how does he do that? What is Brian's view of the Bible? Okay, so this is, I found it

really interesting, as I was reading the book, to figure out what he would do with this. He has

to ultimately reject a ton of the Bible, old and New Testament, and not just the non-Jesus parts.

There's like things Jesus says that Brian's going to have to reinterpret or just reject outright.

So he needs some kind of system, some sort of, you know, format for how he's going to approach the

Bible to get around the Bible, to libergecting his teaching. So I consider it like a two-step

process. His first step is to posit that the Bible is full of contradictions. And in a lot of

these places in this book, you're going to see Brian's on sound like Internet Atheists, you know,

sort of off the cuff attacking the Bible often from a place of being ignorant of the actual

context of the things that are reading, but that really is what ends up sounding like. So I'll give

you an example. On contradictions, he says on page 30 and 31 of his book, it seems obvious that we

should accept that as Israel was in the process of receiving the revelation of Yahweh, some unavoidable

assumptions were made. One of the assumptions was that Yahweh shared the violent attributes of

other deities, of other deities worshiped in the ancient Near East. These assumptions were inevitable,

but they were wrong. Now, when he says this, he's saying that the Old Testament has this misconception,

not just on a peripheral issue, but on the very nature of God. This is the nature of God. The Old

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