3. 1. 1 Go. Hello and welcome to Outraging Optimism. My name is Tom Rivet

Karnak. Tom when did you change from Tom Karnak to Tom Rivet Karnak?

And why did you change?

I will explain, but let's get on with the podcast.

Okay, my name is Christina Figuerais.

And my name is Paul de Kinsen.

This week, we talk about the end of oil demand and we speak to Vice President of

Spain, Teresa Ribera and to Thomas Tune Anderson, the chair of Orsted. Thanks

for being here. All right, It seems we have important issues to discuss. Yeah, we have to leave that in there.

Yeah, for sure. Now, okay, so so Christina, would you like to re-ask your question of Tom?

Yeah, well, Tom, is this the politically correct moment to ask you?

Why did you go from Tom Carnac, which is the way you introduced yourself to me,

originally? And now you're like Tom Rivet Carnet. Is this because you're now famous or what?

Have you ever seen this forms? You know, where like that, I mean, not that I have, but I've heard about them where the police say things like,

have you ever been under another name? I mean, you have.

You know, you're using...

It's very gratifying to hear that I'm famous from Christina Figueres.

I don't feel very famous.

Well, it takes a more space on the cover of a book.

All right?

So here's the truth.

Do you want to hear the truth?

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