The Medellin Cartel is falling and is given rise to the Cali Cartel.

Were you concerned about whether your teammates who were there to back you up are on your side?

And if you don't join us today and start working with us today, we're going to kill them.

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worse Case.

This is your host Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor,

and writer producer on CBS' Criminal Minds.

And with me, today is my lovely co-host.

Hi everybody, hi Jim, it's Francie Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor.

It's great to have you Francie.

And today we have a very special guest.

We're really excited because this superhero and long time friend and colleague that is here with us today has amazing stories to tell.

My name is Carson Ulrich, I'm a retired special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Well, it's great to have you, Carson. Thank you for coming on Best Case Worse Case.

Yeah, thanks so much, Carson. I'm really happy to have you too.

You are our first DEA agent that we have been able to talk to so we can take our listeners behind police lines of the DEA. So thanks so much.

That's my pleasure. I mean, what I'm going to talk about today is not necessarily your traditional gum shoe police work.

It's something that is unique to the DEA.

That's great. Well, let me ask you first off, what got you interested in the DEA out of anything you could have done in the world?

I knew that I wanted to serve. I wanted to have a life of service.

And I didn't know if it was going to be in the military per se or if it was going to be in some form of law enforcement capacity.

As a young man, I grew up about 12 miles from the FBI Academy. So I would visit it. And I would see the new agents with the DEA calls base agents.

And it was something that I researched and I desired to look into it.

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