Hello and welcome to the psychology podcast with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.

Each episode will feature a new guest who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world we live in.

Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

Thanks for listening and enjoy the podcast. guest. So today I'm really happy to have Kurt Gray on the podcast.

Kurt is an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill.

He received his BSC from the University of Waterloo and his PhD in Social Psychology from Harvard University.

He studies the mysteries of subjective experience and likes to wield

Occam's razor to defend parsimony, asking whether complex

phenomena can be simplified and understood through basic processes.

These phenomena include moral judgment, group genesis, and psychopathology.

He's been named an APS Rising Star and was awarded the Janet Spence Award for

Transformative Early Career Research.

He was also given the CPSB Theoretical Innovative Award for the article,

Mind Perception is the Essence of Morality.

His latest book is The Mind Club, Who Thinks, What Feels,

and Why It Matters, co-authored with the late great Daniel Lechner.

Thanks for being on the show Kurt.

Thanks for having me.

What a fascinating book you know that you talk about how you like to wield Occam's razor to defend personally.

Well, you also, in this book kind of like,

you'd take all of the greatest life's mysteries

and that just like distill it to like, oh, you know, you put too much science in there, I think, where it's like,

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