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For the Love of Climbing

54: Good Mom, Bad Mom

For the Love of Climbing

Kathy Karlo

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.6581 Ratings

🗓️ 1 November 2023

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

“Are you a good witch or a bad witch?” Glinda asked Dorothy when she crash-landed in Oz for the first time. The theory of everything is that every element has an opposite. And by this logic, if there are, in fact, “good moms”, then it would follow that there must also be “bad moms”. But it doesn’t really work that way because the system of measurement that dictates the “good mom” / “bad mom” status is fundamentally flawed.

When Tracy became a newly-minted mom, she was determined to find a way to stick with climbing while she navigated all the new hurdles motherhood brings. As the dual identity of parent and climber becomes more common, we hope stories like Tracy’s won’t stand out.

Tracy will always be a mom. But, she can also be a climber. She can hold one in each hand while we work to dismantle the notion that motherhood has to come at the price of one’s identity—instead of being integrated as a part of it.

The mental construct that ping pongs back and forth between being “good” or “bad” traps moms and parents in a place of “not-enoughness”, when the fact of the matter is: you are.

For the Love of Climbing is presented by Patagonia. Additional support is from deuter USA, Allez Outdoor, and Ocún.

Music is by Chad Crouch. Additional music is licensed by Music Bed and Blue Dot Sessions.

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0:00.0

This podcast is proudly presented by Patagonia.

0:04.5

Not bound by convention,

0:06.1

Patagonia is in business to save our home planet.

0:13.0

It's 2023 and modern climbers are more accomplished than ever,

0:17.5

and we don't just mean on the wall.

0:19.7

Patagonia has always seen the value in being bold,

0:22.5

whether it means pushing high points or having the audacity to demand more for our planet. So,

0:28.0

what's it mean to be a strong climber, full commitment to the sport and to our communities?

0:33.2

It means not just working towards futuristic first ascents, but also a better future.

0:38.5

And we aren't going to get there alone.

0:41.0

For Patagonia's 50th year, we're looking forward, not back.

0:44.7

And together, we can prioritize purpose over profit to protect this planet.

0:49.2

Get involved, read stories to get you out there, and join a community that values what we do off the wall

0:55.0

as much as we do on. Find out more at patagonia.com slash climbing.

1:02.9

We get support from Doiter, one of the leading backpack brands that will help you hit the trails

1:07.7

with confidence and comfort, but most importantly, your snacks.

1:11.7

Founded in 1898, Deuter believes in fit, comfort, and working in the long term to offset CO2

1:18.2

emissions by teaming up with climate partner to invest in social and climate offset projects

1:23.4

worldwide for select product, including their guide and vertrail climbing packs.

1:28.1

Deuter packs are PFC free, meaning no forever chemicals.

1:31.7

And they honor their promised lifetime warranty since their packs were meant to be on your back

1:36.2

and not in landfills.

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