Welcome to the Resta's Politics with me, Rory Stewart.

And me, Aleister Campbell, alongside our first serving Prime Minister guest on the Resta's

Politics.

We've had a former Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

We've had a hopefully future Prime Minister, Keir Starmer.

We've had a former future Prime Minister, William Hague, and now we have you.

And one of the reasons we have you is that I'm well aware that you're a regular listener

to the Resta's Politics, and you particularly enjoyed the interview with William Hague,

which is the one interview which Rory Stewart has managed to secure so far.

I think it was the best episode of the series, because it's not at all something you can

get often nowadays. So gracious, so insightful, and so humble man coming from so long

life in politics.

So what did you see his insights?

It was very insightful about the state of affairs nowadays. It was very insightful about Russia,

about China, also very interesting. It was very insightful about the inner struggles of someone

who is in politics, and who has this permanent challenge to be in or to get out, and when

is the time to get out, and how much you can stay in and so on and so on and so further.

So if I would say it all, I'd say although he didn't beat Tony Blair, in the life after politics,

he seemed happier than Tony Blair.

So let's follow up with this Prime Minister.

You're an extraordinary example of this. You're unusual, very unusual as a politician.

You were a very leading artist, a serious professional artist, and a serious international

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