Hello friends, welcome back to this show. My guest today is Richard Reeves,

he's a scholar, writer and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

Men are falling behind in education, employment and family life. They're underachieving in school,

dropping out of the labour market and being less useful around the house, more than ever.

And this isn't simply cultural as it's happening all over the world. The problem is deeper than that.

It's structural. I expect to learn why there are twice as many female fighter pilots

compared with male kindergarten teachers. Why a male needs to be 24 to have the same impulse

control as a 10-year-old girl? Where the term toxic masculinity actually came from?

Whether a man's gain is genuinely a woman's loss, the problem of promoting men's issues in the press,

and much more. This conversation is pretty scary. The evolutionary psychology stuff is interesting,

but I don't think it feels quite as tangible or as real as learning about genuine structural

problems that are holding back anybody in society. Very much appreciate that Richard, someone who

has a background in policy making and research, has really dug into all of this and is coming at it

without over-blowing it, without accusing women of keeping men down, without accusing men of

making the world worse. It's a conversation that I think is going to become absolutely massive

over the next few years, and I really hope that you take as much away from this as I did.

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