535 // The Devil Wears Rothko w/ Barry Avrich

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🗓️ 2 July 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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In this episode, Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with author and filmmaker Barry Avrich about his new book The Devil Wears Rothko about an intense forgery scheme involving priceless art. Get the book here: ⁠https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Devil-Wears-Rothko/Barry-Avrich/9798888454527⁠. ⁠https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Wears-Rothko-Inside-Scandal/dp/B0DJKYT463⁠. Watch Made You Look: https://www.netflix.com/title/81406333. Follow Barry on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/barryavrich22/. This episode was previously published on Empty Frames. Follow Empty Frames here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/empty-frames/id1339744456. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1cqrsklsseH378ZK8MCKte. Follow Missing: TT: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm⁠⁠⁠. YT: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm⁠⁠⁠. IG: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/⁠⁠⁠. X: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠. FB: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠. Follow Crawlspace: X: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod⁠⁠⁠. FB: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. IG: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. TT: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠. Check out our entire network at ⁠⁠⁠http://crawlspace-media.com/⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Tim here today with Lance. Lance. How are you today?
0:32.5	I'm doing fantastic today, Tim. Thanks so much for asking. We're going to bring an episode into the crawl space podwaves so that people can experience one of our other shows.
0:44.4	This is an episode that does tread the line between an Empty Frames episode and a Crawl Space episode.
0:50.0	So it's pretty perfect and the timing is pretty good.
0:52.2	But Tim, timing's terrible right now on how you are because I don't know.
0:56.2	It's been almost 45 seconds.
0:57.9	How are you?
0:59.3	I'm doing great over here.
1:00.7	Very excited to introduce this new episode here on CrawlSpace.
1:04.6	Yeah, this did air last week on one of our other podcasts called Empty Frames.
1:10.0	And Empty Frames has about, I want to say 40 episodes.
1:13.1	And it's all about art crime.
1:15.1	So if you're interested in art crime, you might want to check out Empty Frames,
1:19.1	especially the Gardner Heist episodes,
1:22.4	because we did, I want to say, two full seasons on the mystery of the 13 works of art stolen in Boston, Massachusetts in 1990 from the Gardner Museum.
1:34.0	We first started doing this empty frames show years ago, and we actually got some death threats, and it actually made us cut season one a little bit short.
1:43.5	I don't think that's something we've ever mentioned on these airwaves, but I think that was
1:48.4	the time, I guess.
1:50.1	Yeah, so if you want to check out the show that actually got us legitimate death threats
1:54.4	that I had to go to the police over, you might want to check out empty frames, especially
1:58.5	season one.
2:00.3	So this episode, this interview with Barry Averich, air just recently on Empty Frames.
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