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And now here's your host, Brad Listing. Just one person. Hello, everybody. Hello, how's it going? This is The Other People Show. I'm Brad Listy. It's good to be with you. I am here in Los Angeles. What did I do today? I went to Home Depot. I'll tell you about it. Let me first tell you about today's guest.

It's Robert Gulrick.

He is the best-selling author of many books, including a reliable wife, and his latest novel

is called The Dying of the Light.

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