Hey, everybody. I got an amazing one today.

You know, finally, the great Michael Lewis is my guest, author of bestsellers like

The Big Short, Moneyball, Liars Poker, on the podcast now for the third time.

He's the three-peat.

And believe me, you're not on the Al Franken podcast three times unless you're a fabulous guest, except for Norm Ornstein.

For some reason, we keep having Norm on.

I think he's been on six, seven, nine times. We don't keep good records here at the

Al Franken podcast. And Norm is just, he's not good. Am I right, Peter?

Al, I got to tell you, man, this is your call. I know we keep having Norm on.

It's terrible, right? Yeah, yeah, he is. I don I know we keep having Norm on. It's terrible, right?

Yeah, yeah, he is.

I don't know why you keep having him on.

It's almost like he has something on you.

Michael Lewis certainly has nothing on me and has been terrific.

One of our very first guests here on the podcast.

That was about his great, I'd say, prescient book, The Fifth Risk, which was about the transition from the Obama

administration to the Trump administration and how it was a complete anomaly. Transitions in

the past between outgoing administrations and incoming administrations

had been extremely professional, been taken very seriously by both outgoing and incoming.

And this was just a complete departure.

The Obama administration worked assiduously, diligently to prepare

for the transition. And the Trump transition team led by Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner,

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