All right, welcome everyone back to dissecting popular IT nerds.

I've been, we're doing a series talking with Phil's.

You know, it's a great name.

Today we have Phil, let's see, Zerang on the show.

I just need to make sure I pronounce that right.

From IT director at Arizona Public Services.

And we're going to talk about all the nuclear facilities and top secret stuff that you have on the show today, correct?

Yeah, that's correct.

And then we can have another interview from jail.

It's awesome.

Actually, you know, the reason why I was excited to have you on the show is a couple of things.

And we're going to talk about some of the other stuff that's exciting for everyone.

But one of them was you have talked about kind of this like transformation of the

IT guy, you coaching people and make sure I get this right here in how to talk to people. That's

correct. That sound correct.

That's correct.

Yeah, it's real-time human-to-human interfacing.

And this is from, I'll give you a little taste of this from my personal journey.

I don't know about you, but in corporate America, you get these annual performance reviews,

and I've saved them from years.

And I look back at some of them, and they things like you know improve your influence skills work on relationship

building build stronger executive presence and if you've ever Googled build stronger executive

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