53: Investigating Jan 6th with Tom Joscelyn
Jen Rubin's Green Room
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🗓️ 15 May 2024
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Takeaways:
The findings of the January 6th report have not been changed by subsequent information, and new details have only further corroborated the initial conclusions.
Steve Bannon's involvement and communications on January 6th are of particular concern, as he was in contact with President Trump and expressed a willingness to obstruct the transfer of power.
The investigation into the war room and its role in coordinating the attack is ongoing, and more information is needed to fully understand what happened.
The failures of domestic law enforcement and the normalization of right-wing extremism are significant threats to American democracy.
There are concerns about the reticence of the FBI and intelligence agencies to fully investigate and address the threat of right-wing extremist groups.
The crimes committed by the January 6th defendants were serious, and their actions should not be downplayed or dismissed.
Mike Pence was in danger on January 6th due to Donald Trump's targeting of him for not overturning the election results.
The atmosphere of the January 6th committee was intense, with a focus on telling the story of what happened and holding individuals accountable.
The Secret Service has had its share of scandals and issues, and there are concerns about its loyalty and performance.
The erasure of emails and messages raises questions about transparency and accountability. The Espionage Act case against Donald Trump is significant and the message it sends if he is not prosecuted is dangerous.
Trump's defense of taking classified documents and his belief that he can do anything as president reflects the authoritarian nature of his political movement.
Right-wing media sustains an echo chamber of conspiracy theories, and defeating the insurgency requires reaching out to Republicans who do not want to be aligned with extremist ideologies.
Losing decisively at the ballot box is necessary to initiate a reformation on the American right.
Hope lies in the resilience of the American people and the belief that there are more people who reject extremism than those who embrace it.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Jen Rubin, and this is Jen Rubin's green room. |
| 0:08.3 | Welcome to the show. |
| 0:09.8 | As we sit here on Tuesday, Michael Cohen has completed his direct examination. |
| 0:16.3 | He was poised, controlled, gripping at times, and right on the money, as far as the prosecutor was |
| 0:26.3 | concerned. The prosecutor set him up for success by leading with witnesses who had high |
| 0:34.4 | credibility and with a slew of documents, invoices, emails, phone records. |
| 0:42.3 | He then let, and she let, who was the assistant prosecutor, who was conducting the direct |
| 0:48.7 | examination, then let Michael Cohen essentially follow the breadcrumbs that the previous witnesses and evidence |
| 0:56.4 | had laid down. And so when he was testifying to these things, you can imagine the jury |
| 1:03.0 | say, oh, yes, that's right. That's what we heard from Hope Hicks. Or yes, that's what David |
| 1:08.1 | Pecker said. So it was a very smart strategy. Some of us expected |
| 1:13.7 | that Michael Cohen would be quite difficult, even on direct examination, and they would have to |
| 1:20.4 | sort of hide him in the middle of the trial, start strong and strong and stick Michael Cohen |
| 1:26.0 | somewhere in the middle. But as it turns out, he appears |
| 1:29.4 | to be the last witness for the DA, and you can see why. He was candid. At times he was funny, |
| 1:36.6 | but he was sober. He was serious. And at times he was looking right at the jury, and the jury was |
| 1:43.8 | utterly absorbed. |
| 1:46.0 | Now, he's not done. |
| 1:47.8 | The cross-examination has begun. |
| 1:50.3 | It's going to take all day Tuesday. |
| 1:53.0 | And then when they come back on Thursday, it will likely take most, if not all of the day, on Thursday. |
| 1:58.4 | And he's going to have to maintain his equilibrium. He's going to |
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