I've got something a bit different for you today both in content and style.

A few weeks ago I interviewed Kocce in Siarte, one of the survivors of the Uruguayan plane crash in Chile in 1972.

Koche, along with the other survivors, was forced to eat human flesh

to survive almost three months in the fuselage, which is basically the broken body of the crashed plane, in the freezing Andes mountains.

It's quite possibly the most heart-wrenching and awe-inspiring story of all time.

I read Kocchez's poignant new book, Memories of the Andes,

which was a horrific but enlightening read that certainly kept me up many nights after putting it down.

You can find it on Amazon and all the usual places you find books and it's one you won't forget in a hurry.

While speaking to Koche, who is now in his 70s, I found that it was exhausting for him to recount such a traumatic story to me over Zoom, particularly in his second language of English.

So we switched to Spanish to continue the interview

while I tried to work out how I'd make this work as a podcast episode.

I was determined to bring you this story as so many of you expressed such excitement about the episode. an Argentinian editor and sound recordist, Gonzalo Kapplanski, to dub over Koche's Spanish

and to make this episode more like a short audio documentary.

What I like about it is that Gonzalo is in his early 20s just as Koche was in the plane crash.

I mix up his words with those of Koche as well as voice over sections from myself.

So thank you Gonzalo for doing such a wonderful and

professional job.

I've also supplemented Cochise's parts with those of the book's English translator, John Gueva,

who is fascinated by the story and has hiked to the crash site.

So thank you John for your help and insight.

Today's bonus episode for patrons features the 10 inside the actor studio questions for John.

I've included some of what Koche said in English at the beginning of the conversation

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