Hello and I don't speak German, the anti-fascist podcast in which I, Jack Graham and my friend Daniel Harper,

have conversations about the far rights conversations.

Every episode comes with a big content warning.

There's this weird sort of dance of the seven veils, you know, of frankness and secrecy,

hiding it and being open about it,

which is a really weird dynamic

when you actually listen to them speak

and then speak about their own,

the way they speak,

that there's a very weird sort of it's like you know they're playing

chicken with with what they actually want to say and they're not quite saying

it or at least they're often sometimes they just say it but a lot of the time they're not quite saying it and then but I mean you know that they are saying it they're just talking around it they're saying it in a roundabout way.

They know that there are certain words that they can't use. They know that there are certain constructions they can't use. And like the whole game they're playing is for, you know, kind of plausible and liability, not just for people kind of listening

for people who are sort of outside but for their for the people that like run their

services they they have a credit card processor they have a podcast hosting

service and they have to abide by certain terms and

They're terrified about for instance using copyrighted music that isn't clearly used in a like openly satirical way

Even like just a few bars of music that has not been in some way

transformed because they know people will report them and get the episodes taken down, you know,

because they know what they're doing.

They work very hard to be very overtly legal at all times

which you know is you know something that this is a clear sign that you know you're doing something you shouldn't be doing ultimately right?

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