Welcome to Public Health On Call, a podcast from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

I'm Joshua Sharfstein, Vice Dean for Public Health Practice and Community Engagement,

and a former health commissioner here in Baltimore.

Our goal is to bring evidence and experience

to illuminate critical public health issues.

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Today, how the pandemic is changing the way government works.

Beth Blower, the Associate Vice Provost for Public Sector Innovation at Johns Hopkins University,

speaks with Dr. Josh Sharfstein about new approaches to providing city services that inspire workers and deliver it results. She calls it the chutzpah of leadership.

Let's listen.

Beth Blower, it is great to see you and to talk to you on public health on call. I wanted to reach out because

I've been hearing from a lot of people who work for government. It's a difficult time that

people don't trust them, that they're exhausted. And I thought, why not check in with someone

who works with governments all around the world doing interesting things?

What do you see from your perspective?

Well, I think everybody is a little bit exhausted.

I think that the sort of post-pandemic fatigue is real, but I think it's very real for people who work in government, particularly those that

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