Hey, missing in crawl space listeners. We wanted to bring you this episode. This is a collaboration

that we did with John Lorden and Mike Morford, two of our good buddies in this true crime space,

and John Lorden has a great show on YouTube called Brain Scratch. And you can subscribe to him at

Lorden Arts. There's links in the show notes to subscribe to his stuff,

but also Mike Morford's. And in this conversation, we're talking about the possibility of a serial

killer in New England. I hope we're not being too redundant at this point. We are bringing in

some of our pals to discuss. And again, this was actually Lance and I's appearance on john's show brain scratch so some of

this might be a little bit redundant but hopefully there's enough new insight there that you

will get something out of it thanks a lot for listening we really appreciate it i'm john lorton

thank you so much for joining me here today and if you keep your finger on the pulse of true crime, you know that everyone is a buzz right now about the possibility of there being a serial killer in the New England area. And it seems like there's there's some new sources. I think they're almost misreporting this.

But there was a bone that was found at a close to where a celebrity has a home.

And that seems to have pushed everything into the stratosphere, kind of.

So I thought it was worth having a discussion here.

First of all, is there really a serial killer at play here?

Are these individual instances?

I've spoken up against several groupings like this in the past.

Smiley face killers, of course, the UK has their version of that called the pusher. And then we had

someone, I think he was a TikToker, if I remember a couple years ago that basically regurgitated that

same theory. I've been down this road so many times before. And really, I think the best method for

trying to take it on is just to get as much good data together as you can and have a

conversation about it. I'm going to invite some of my friends from the true crime social media

community and we're going to have kind of a roundtable discussion about elements of these cases,

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