52. Why Christian Nationalists are Hellbent on Hell

The Tim & April Show

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🗓️ 7 October 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

In today's episode, Tim and April engage in a thought-provoking discussion with guest Brian Recker, a public theologian and author of 'Hellbent.' The conversation delves into the complex relationship between the concept of hell, Christian nationalism, and the fear that often accompanies these beliefs. They explore how the fear of hell can manipulate individuals and communities, shaping their spirituality and relationships. Brian's Book | Hell Bent: How the Fear of Hell Holds Christians Back from a Spirituality of Love Chapters 05:28 The Impact of Hell on Christian Nationalism 08:51 Deconstructing Beliefs About Hell 11:32 The Role of Certainty in Faith 17:48 The Arrogance of Exclusivity 40:13 The Dichotomy of Grace and Power 48:54 Rhetoric of Fear and Control 55:30 The Historical Context of Christian Supremacy 01:07:11 The Nature of True Christianity ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals Tim on Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@Timwhitakerspeaks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ April on Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@Aprilajoy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	You're listening to a new evangelicals production.
0:13.1	The Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics, and culture.
0:22.1	Hello, everybody.
0:24.2	I wasn't sure.
0:25.9	You were me this time.
0:27.3	Yeah, and we've had a really long streak of getting that intro right and lost the plot today.
0:33.5	We're back to zero days.
0:34.6	Zero days without incident.
0:36.1	So hi, everyone.
0:37.2	Welcome into the show.
0:38.1	I'm Tim Whitaker.
0:39.4	I'm April of Joy.
0:54.6	We got a fun one for you, I think, today. This would be a good one. If you're watching on YouTube, please make sure to subscribe to the channel, like this video. If you're listening on a podcast, thank you so much for doing that. if you could do us a favor and give this show a rating and a review, it really helps us out.
0:56.0	This will be a fun one.
0:59.2	This is, I think, kind of unique format, because we don't do this every single day, April. It's not every day we bring on a guest who we are also friends
1:05.0	with and, you know, talk about things like hell and Christian nationalism. So I'm excited.
1:09.4	I think it's, I think only like
1:11.1	a progressive deconstructed hell Christian could say, we're going to talk about hell and it's
1:17.5	going to be fun. Yeah, we're going to poke fun at hell. Cue the Newsboy's song, Breakfast. Did you ever
1:23.5	listened to that song? Did I ever? Yeah, same. Same. Yeah, it was like one of my faves.
1:27.9	I mean, I was one of the people who brought Captain Crunch boxes to the Newsboys show so I can wave it during the song Breakfast.
1:36.3	And friends, if you don't know that song, when you're done listening to this episode, just ask your Alexa or Siri to play Breakfast by Newsboys and just sit and bask in
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