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And now, on with the show.

Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Rhee Gaillan.

Today, I'm joined by the author and legal scholar, Professor Cass R. Sunstein.

He's written a multitude of books, including two new titles this year. This is not normal.

The politics of everyday expectations and noise of flowing human judgment.

Professor Sunstein also previously served in the Obama administration as

administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, and is currently the Robert

Womzli University Professor at Harvard, where he's the founder and director of the program on

Behavioral Economics and Public Policy at Harvard Law School. Professor Sunstein, thanks for joining me.

Thanks so much for having me.

So, I dove into two of your books here in the last week and a half or so, both of which are

fascinating to me, one because it's about the humanity of politics and the other of the sort of

behavioral economics that you and so many of your colleagues have written about for a long time

that I find personally fascinating. But I want to start with this is not normal.

So obviously, if this was 24 months ago, you probably wouldn't have written this book.

None of us expected a pandemic to be in the offing. But I want to get into a little bit of how you

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