52. Bruce Schneier — Hacked! Security and Survival in a Hyper-Connected World

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Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

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🗓️ 5 February 2019

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Bruce Schneier is a fellow and lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School and the Berkman-Klein Center for Internet and Society. He is a special advisor to IBM Security and a board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Access Now, and the Tor Project. You can find him on Schneier.comand on twitter at @schneierblog

He is the author of Data and Goliath, Applied Cryptography, Liars and Outliers, Secrets and Lies, and Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly about Security in an Uncertain World. His new book is Click Here to Kill Everybody, which we discuss at length, as well as:

How to protect yourself from being hacked and what to do if you are hacked
Why companies do not invest more in software security
The motivation of hackers: money, power, fun
The probability of your car being hacked and driven into a wall
The probability of planes being hacked and felled from the sky
Edward Snowden and Wikileaks: hero or villain
The Pentagon Papers and Daniel Ellsberg
What would happen if the electrical grid was hacked
Cyberdeaths (homicides done remotely over the Internet) and how the government will respond with regulations when it does
If the government were to set a policy for the security level of an IoT device that can kill people, is there a maximum allowed probability that it could be hacked?
The North Korean hack of Sony
The Russian hack of the 2016 election and how to prevent that from happening again
Why we’re still using paper ballots in our voting system rather than computers and ATMs like banks use.
The lessons of Y2K for the coming AI apocalypse
What keeps him up at night

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Science Salon Podcast. I'm your host Michael Schirmer. We post these conversations on average once a week as part of the larger mission of the Skeptic Society and Skeptic magazine, a 501c3 nonprofit educational organization devoted to
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0:50.0	which we depend upon to meet our annual budget in support of our many science education projects.
0:56.1	My next guest for the science salon is Bruce Schnier, a fellow and lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School and the Berkman-Kline Center for Internet and Society.
1:08.0	He is a special advisor to IBM Security and a board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Access Now, and
1:16.1	the Tor Project. You can find him on W.W.
1:20.4	Schnier.com and on Twitter at Schnerr blog.
1:24.8	Bruce Schnerier is the author of Data and Goliath,
1:28.0	Applied cryptography,
1:30.2	Liars and Outliers, secrets and lies, and beyond fear thinking sensibly about
1:37.6	security in an uncertain world. His new book is Click Here to Kill Everybody, Security and Survival in a hyper-connected world,
1:47.0	which we discussed at length as well as What to Do If You're Hacked and how to protect yourself from being hacked?
1:54.0	Why companies do not invest more in software security?
1:57.8	The motivation of hackers, money, power, fun, the probability of your car being hacked and driven into a wall, the probability
2:06.2	of planes being hacked and felled from the sky.
2:09.8	Edward Snowden and WikiLeaks, is he a hero or a villain? The Pentagon Papers in Daniel Ellsberg.
2:16.4	That was a security issue and he is now a hero.
2:20.6	What would happen if the electrical grid was hacked?
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