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Is NATO finished? I don't think it's necessarily finished, but I think it has never been more embattled.

Trump is the first president to really call it into question, and the longer

that the second term has gone on, the more dicey its future has looked. He was asked if he was

reconsidering membership of NATO. He said, oh yes, it's beyond reconsideration. I was never swayed by

NATO. I always knew they were paper tiger. And get this, Putin knows that too, by the way.

I know. So unsettling. How do you answer the anxieties of people, because they're not just economic anxieties, are they? They're cultural anxieties about people who are frightened by change.

Too often we're liable to say, oh, because you're being exploited by populace, somehow your grievance isn't real,

whereas what we should be doing is your grievance is real and we have to do something about it.

Welcome to the rest of this politics question time with me, Alistair Campbell.

And with me, Dominic, Sambrook. Hello.

Hello, Dominic. So stepping in for the absent Rory Stewart for the second time, thank you very, very much indeed. Lots of questions, and one of them relates to something we discussed on the podcast. We had a lot of questions on these lines. This is from Harper, from Sandwell, in the West Midlands. Is NATO finished? Wow. I mean, I didn't think you had listeners in the Westdons, but I stand corrected. We've got listeners everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

I mean, what are you?

Have you?

With your little sort of cultural cliques around university cities around the world, we spread far and wide.

Yeah. Every time I go and do a show at the Sydney Opera House, I really lament the fact that our audience is so limited at the rest of its history, as you can well imagine.

I said, university cities are around the world.

Carry on. Is NATO finished?

NATO finished. Is NATO finished? I don't think it's necessarily finished, but I think it has

never been more embattled. From the 1940s when NATO began as an alliance, as an anti-communist alliance, to keep the Americans in Europe and to hold the line against Stalin's Soviet Union.

NATO ever since then has actually been pretty solid, I would say, as military alliances go.

Trump is the first president to really call it into question. I think he clearly has no emotional

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