on the creative journey it's easy to get lost but don't worry you'll lift off sometimes you just need

a creative pepsop so i don't know about you, but I pursued a creative path because I thought making creative work was fun.

And then as I pursued that path, the further I pursued it, the less fun it ended up being.

And I started to forget why I did this, how to have fun making stuff.

So that has been a struggle at different times in my creative journey.

And so I'm guessing you can relate, whether you mixed money into it or

social media into it or just pressure from yourself. It's easy to lose the fun. And so today on the

show, I'm going to chat with a picture book artist and newly picture book author.

Eliza Kinks is on the show.

And this person is just a fun master.

You know, every time I talk to her, I've run into her at different picture book events over the past few years.

And she just brings so much joy and fun to everything that she does.

Her work is just brimming with life and humanity and fun.

Her book, she's got a few different books that she's illustrated, Goldie's Guide to Grandchilding, which is hilarious and fun.

Papa's magical water jug clock that is written by Jesus Trejo, who I met, who's a stand-up comedian and is just a great dude as well.

That book is hilarious, and there's so much chaotic stuff happening in the illustration.

And so I was pumped to have her on here because she just came out with her new book called Ms. Taco.

And it's right there if you're watching this on YouTube.

And I was so pumped to talk to her because I wanted to know how do you have so much fun when this is your job?

Because I'm always looking for ways to get more fun into my process and remember why I love doing this and why I pursued this in the first place.

So this thing's full of fun.

We laugh a lot, but there's also a lot of takeaways for you, for me.

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