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Matthew Pines, long time coming. Can't believe this is your first time on the show.

It is. Wow. I'm glad to be here.

I'm glad you're here. We have a lot to talk about. Let's start with the Trump bump. Is the Trump bump coming?

TBD. I know that there's a lot of folks working the angles behind the scenes to try to get, sort of play

each political side off of each other. And it seems like the Trump camp has been a little

bit more cooperative in listening to the digital assets industry. We'll see. I know Biden has

tried to adjust tact. We'll see if that manifests in a policy stance that will attract similar donations.

But yeah, it seems like at this point he's going all in. And I know that whatever future

administration eventually turns into, it seems like a digital assets policy plank that's very

positive for the industry is likely coming. Yeah. Given your experience in D.C.

And being around these conversations for years, like, how would you describe the reaction

that you alluded to from the Biden campaign and where we sit now as an industry politically?

It seems that we're definitely entering a phase where the voting

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