This is Jocko podcast number 513 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

One day before Travis was set to head back out with the Marines to serve in Iraq,

he went with his friends to a football game to watch his favorite team,

the Philadelphia Eagles, play and create fun memories.

The Eagles won, and Travis and his friends were

pumped but they were also sad because he would soon be leaving the country one

of them jokingly grabbed Travis how about we keep you from going back to Iraq

so you can stay here and have fun with all of us instead?

Travis knew his friend was just kidding around and wanted him to stay in Philadelphia where it was safe.

But Travis also knew that he had to face the dangers of war because protecting America's freedom was the most important thing he believed he could do to help his country

Travis became very serious he knew that staying behind would leave his team without his experience and if another Marine replaced him that Marine might not have the same level of training that he had

Travis took his duty very

seriously. He turned to his friend and said five simple words. If not me, then who? And that right there is an excerpt from a new book, a kid's book.

And the book is called Things My Brother Used to Say, and it is written by Travis's sister, Ryan Mannion.

And the book shares the wisdom of Travis Mannion, who was a wrestler, a graduate from the Naval Academy, a Marine Corps officer, a recipient of the Silver Star, a man who sacrificed his life for his friends and for his nation.

And the author, Ryan Mannion, as I said, it's Travis Mannion's sister.

She is also the daughter of Marine Corps Colonel Tom Mannion, who was on this podcast many years ago,

episode number 72.

And we discussed the book that he wrote, which was entitled Brothers Forever.

And it was about his son, Travis, and his son's best friend, Brendan Looney,

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