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511 // Crawlspace Bonus - Infiltrating The White Supremacy w/ Scott Payne

Missing

Crawlspace Media

True Crime, News, Society & Culture

3.83.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Crawlspace, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna are joined by Scott Payne, aka - Pale Horse. Scott spent years infiltrating hate groups and white supremacy cells in the United States in an attempt to eradicate as much hate as possible. He made it out alive and shares some of his most harrowing stories in this episode. To pick up your copy of Code Name: Pale Horse: Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/p/books/code-name-pale-horse-how-i-went-undercover-to-expose-america-s-nazis-michelle-shephard/20713084?ean=9781668032909&next=t. Simon and Schuster: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Code-Name-Pale-Horse/Scott-Payne/9781668032909. Follow Scott: IG: https://www.instagram.com/scottpaynebigcountry/. Listen to Agent Pale Horse: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/1031-white-hot-hate. Follow Missing: IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447. Follow Crawlspace: IG: https://www.instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7iSnqnCf27NODdz0pJ1GvJ. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/crawlspace. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crawlspace-true-crime-mysteries/id1187326340. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, missing listeners. We wanted to bring you an episode of one of our other podcasts called

0:05.5

Crawl Space. And this was an interview with a really fascinating guy. He's a retired FBI

0:12.3

undercover agent who's got quite a story to tell. He's also got a brand new book out and a brand

0:19.0

new podcast out.

0:26.2

His book is called Codename Pale Horse, and it's really fascinating stuff.

0:32.2

And the podcast is called White Hot Hate, and Season 2 is called Agent Pale Horse.

0:36.2

And we love doing this over here at Missing, supporting our other show Crawl Space, especially when we have such

0:37.5

an instant classic guest on. Definitely check out that podcast under White Hot Hate Agent

0:43.9

Pale Horse. This is going to give you such an incredible insight into what it's like to go

0:48.9

undercover and still maintain your own sanity. And Scott has done that.

0:54.8

You'll see it.

0:56.6

You'll hear it in this conversation.

1:00.3

He hits us with three amazing stories.

1:05.2

And before we knew it, over an hour had gone by and we were still talking to him.

1:13.2

So I think it's fair to say that we're going to have him back on the show relatively soon for a number of different reasons, new stories, who knows. He's just such a great guest and a great human being, and he's

1:18.7

done such great work in law enforcement. So I'm going to stop raving and let you all hear this episode.

1:24.8

All right. Thanks a lot for listening. We're going to play the Crawl Space. I'm Tim here today with Lance. Lance, how are you today? I'm doing very well

2:03.9

today, Tim. I am so sorry. In your voice, I can hear that you're not doing so well. Really, I got to say,

2:09.5

you're going above and beyond right now to do this intro for this episode. It is a fantastic episode,

2:14.4

a doozy of a story. We have a gentleman on who is a remarkable person,

2:19.2

has done so much in law enforcement, has done so much in his life, and is just such an

2:23.6

amazing storyteller. There were so many times here where you and I were just like jaw on the

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