511. Always a Human (w/Justin Krebs and Jordan Carlos + John Hodgman and Emily Flake)
Fake the Nation
Headgum & Negin Farsad
4.4 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 16 April 2026
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
This week, comedian and host Negin Farsad brings you two conversations from the vault. Jordan Carlos and Justin Krebs join to discuss why people would wait in the longer self-checkout line instead of using the SHORTER line with a human cashier. It's happening and we need to understand why!? John Hodgman and Emily Flake also join to discuss how to make long lasting friends. Together they have all the answers...or none of them, you decide!
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello. This is Fake the Nation where we talk about news. We talk about culture and where we take a wee little break. But don't worry, I'm your host, Nagin Farsat. And I have saved a couple of really great conversations for you. So without further ado, let's get into the first topic. |
| 0:16.1 | There is a new phenomenon in American life about lines that I'm going to talk about with wonderful |
| 0:21.7 | comedian and author of the book, Torplay, Jordan Carlos. Hey, Jordan. Hello, Nicky. And also |
| 0:26.2 | with writer and political strategist, Justin Krebs. Hey, Justin. Hello, hello. Um, so the new phenomenon |
| 0:32.3 | in American life is people are choosing the self-checkout line in stores, even when the cashier line is shorter. |
| 0:42.1 | Tell me why that's happening. |
| 0:44.1 | Do you mean the other way around? |
| 0:45.2 | When the cashier... |
| 0:46.1 | You mean they like standing in line rather than... |
| 0:49.0 | They will go to the longer line so they can do self-checkout. |
| 0:52.4 | Oh, really? |
| 0:52.8 | Instead of going to the cashier line where a human being checks them out and it's a shorter weight. Did you see what I had to do there? I was like, I had to ask you if you got that wrong. No, no, that's not what you mean. Yeah, yeah. You couldn't mean that. Well, I mean, this was a piece in the Atlantic. And when I read it, I was like, oh, my God, I've seen this happen because I'm the motherfucker who always chooses to use the human line. Me too. I can't handle the self-checkout. It makes me angry. And it tends to always be more crowded. |
| 1:28.1 | So I'm like, why would I do that to myself? I'll just use the human line. Are you the kind of person that also goes to the back, like, let's say you're at the drugstore, and instead of going to the counter in the front, you go to the back one at the pharmacy, because you know what? That's like, that's the DL, like, hack, by the way. I do some game series when I'm in when I'm at the pharmacy. |
| 1:47.9 | Justin. DL like hack, by the way. I do some game theory when I'm in, when I'm at the pharmacy. |
| 1:48.0 | I also prefer going to the humans. |
| 1:49.7 | So you have a panel of human files. |
| 1:52.8 | I do, no, no, no, I kind of, listen, listen, I have done, I'm, I'm by. |
| 1:57.9 | And so I will go to the humans and I also love the machines. But like, but the humans, I, yes, I mean, depending on the grocery store, you've got to ask, you know, there's, there's some, sometimes you just don't want to deal with it. Because in New York City, you've got to ask about their experience, the workers experience, right? You're like, how's your day going? |
| 2:18.3 | And they're like, oh, man, let me tell me. |
| 2:20.6 | Man, I know. |
| 2:21.9 | Girl, girl, I'm like. |
| 2:24.0 | Do you not want to hear about their experience? |
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