510: The Ego Trap In Leadership. The Need To Lead Pt.2. With Dave Berke.

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🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 165 minutes

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The second part to The Need to Lead, by Dave Berke. How ego quietly sabotages leaders and teams. When we see others’ failures as our wins, frustration and judgment take over. We talk about how that mindset damages trust, limits growth, and creates division. The conversation shows how shifting from ego to ownership not only builds stronger relationships but also unlocks the real strength of leadership—helping others rise instead of hoping they fall.

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0:00.0	This is Jocko podcast number 510 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink. Good evening.
0:04.9	Good evening.
0:05.7	Also joining us once again is Dave Burke. Good evening, Dave.
0:08.6	Good evening.
0:09.7	We are continuing the conversation about Dave's new book.
0:15.1	The book is called The Need to Lead.
0:17.9	It is available for pre-order right now.
0:20.6	Release date is October 21st, 2025.
0:25.6	10 years after the book Extreme Ownership came out. It also comes out on the same day. I left
0:32.1	the city of Ramadi with Lafab and Seth Stone on our way home and the rest of the guys that remain
0:39.5	there. So it's kind of an interesting date for me, a meaningful date for me. So if you're
0:47.6	listening to this, we started the conversation about this book on the last podcast number 509. So
0:52.8	if you haven't listened to that one yet, go back and listen to it.
0:55.5	And on that first podcast that we did,
0:59.5	number 509,
1:00.3	we cover the first half of the book.
1:03.4	And the first half of the book
1:04.2	is called the mindset of a good leader.
1:08.1	And that's the first five chapters.
1:10.4	And now we're going to look at the second half of the book,
1:14.9	the second five chapters, which is called the actions of a good leader. So we have the mindset,
1:23.0	and we have the actions. And Dave Burke.
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