Now, we're delighted to have an interview with the First Minister of Wales, Mark Dreyford.

And please don't be too surprised if we don't talk about the Queen or King Charles, because

the interview was conducted shortly before the sad demise of her Majesty.

Welcome to The Restisted Politics with me, Alistair Campbell.

And me, Rory Stewart.

And a very special guest.

We are absolutely delighted to welcome the First Minister of Wales, Mark Dreyford.

Mark, hello and thank you for being here.

Very pleased to be here.

Now, can I kick off because every time I read about you, in any sort of profile piece,

the word Corbinista gets attached to you.

And I can see from the grievous that that probably irritates you a bit.

But I just want to get a sense of your politics.

If we accept that Jeremy is, say, on the left of the party, and my old boss, Tony,

is on the right of the party, where are you putting yourself adjacent to or between them?

Well, I think of my own politics as being derived from the radical Welsh tradition.

And, you know, that can go back as far as Lloyd George and gets handed down the generations

via an iron bevern, Michael Foote, Neil Kinock.

It's that strand in Welsh politics, which is to the left of the centre.

But, you know, all of politics in Wales is to the left of where it would be across the United Kingdom.

And insofar as I think of myself as belonging to a tradition,

it is to that of a radical strand in Welsh politics.

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