Folks, welcome back. As you know, I used to be pretty good friends with Kirk Cameron. You know,

he was like a big star, big Christian. And then I found out he's a big heretic. He's denied

everything. Noah's Ark, like everything. And I said, I got to get him on the program and confront

him on just, just boldly coming out against like you know the basics like divinity the

resurrection it's shocking.

Kirk Cameron welcome to the program you know with friends like you I, what are you doing saying I'm denying the divinity

of Christ? You've denied everything. You've denied everything. It's just unbelievable. No, I have to

laugh because you and I both know, like, the Christian world, it's kind of funny because there are

people for whom um secondary

issues are primary issues yeah like they will fight you to the death with a sword over if it's

literally a six day creation or uh whatever whatever it is that you could you could have a disagreement about.

They act like, if you don't believe that, you're hellbound.

And one of those issues is the details of hell.

We all know hell is real.

Yeah.

But there's some people that have very, very specific ideas about it.

And if you even question those ideas, like honestly, they act like, man, I thought you

were saved.

I don't know what's going on.

Right.

And so you dared to question what's called conscious eternal punishment.

And there are people that act like that's in the nicene

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