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Asama was just like many of us who became part of the Muslim Brotherhood movement in Saudi Arabia.

The only difference which set him apart from me and others, he was more religious.

More religious, more literal, more fundamentalists.

For example, he would not listen to music.

He would not shake hands with a woman.

He would not smoke. He would not watch television unless it is news. He wouldn't play cards.

He would not put a picture on his wall. But more than that, there was also a harsh or radical side in his life. I'm sure you have some people like that in your culture. For example, even though he comes from a rich family, he lives in a very simple house.

He had no appreciation of art.

He sees art as contrary to a Muslim.

He lived a very simple basic life.

He doesn't attach himself to extravagant or good living.

Well, welcome to the rest is classified.

I'm Gordon Carrera.

And I'm David McCloskey.

And that was Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who will later become known for meeting

a sadly untimely end in a consulate in Turkey.

But in this case, he is talking about Asama bin Laden, whom he knew as a young man in Jeddah in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

And David, today we're starting a series looking at Asama bin Laden through the lens of the long struggle with your former employers, the CIA, to try and take him down.

I guess it's a dramatic story. It spans many decades, many continents,

but at its heart is really one individual who I think it's fair to say is one of the most

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