It's time for episode 507 of the clockwise podcast from Relay FM recorded Wednesday, June 14th, 2020.

Clockwise, four people, for tech topics.

30 minutes. Welcome back to Clockwise, the tech podcast where we have a vision of the future.

My name is Dan Morn, and I am joined across the internet by my good friend, my pal, my dungeon buddy, because we play Dungeon Dragons

together on the internet, and somebody who I missed dearly since I was sitting across from him

just a little bit over a week ago. It's Micah Sargent. Hi, Micah. How you doing?

Whoa, I am doing well. You and I have an interesting vision of the future, don't we? It's sort of imaginary.

It's all in our heads.

It's exactly 30 minutes, too.

We only can see 30 minutes into the future.

Oh, but it's a power nonetheless.

Well, joining us on our half-hour cavort, I don't know why that is the word that came to mind into the future is a fantastic

photographer and author and gentleman about town. It is the one and only Jeff Carlson.

Welcome back to the show, Jeff. Thank you. I'll take cavort. Good, good word that doesn't get used very much. You're right. I know. I'd like to bring a little, bring a little like diversity to our vocabulary.

Yeah. Also, cavorting with us is a podcaster, a fantastic organizer and the world's favorite business unicorn. It's Kathy Campbell. Hi, Kathy. Hi, Micah.

Cavor, cavort, covert, covert, covert. That's a really fun word to say.

Cavorting all over the place today. And we can't be stopped. Well, let us start then with a topic

for me, betas, betas, betas, betas, betas. My question is, are you installing

the betas of the latest Apple software? Are there features that are tempting you to do so? And if you're

holding off for now, is there a point at which you break down and join us on the cutting edge?

Or are you strictly a wait for release kind of person?

Jeff, let's start with you.

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