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You are not alone.

You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in Congress.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done. I think it's really beautiful. Jay, stated what I struggle, you know? Incredible. You're head exploded. Seeing what was really there. And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person. So, hey, everybody, how's it going? Welcome to the Other People podcast. I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles, California. It's good to be with you. I'm very happy to have Liska Jacobs on the program today. Her debut novel is called Catalina. It is available now from MCD, FSG. I think I said that, right? It's the new imprint from FSG.

It's called MCD.

And it's a good imprint.

I feel like they're doing interesting things.

They're publishing interesting books.

Catalina being prominent among them.

So Liska Jacobs coming up in just a moment, just a few minutes.

I want to talk to you first, though, about the fact that we got a dog.

I feel like I need to share that news.

It was a little puppy.

We named her Twiggy, or my daughter named her Twiggy.

And she was, it was like a litter of 11 puppies.

The mother is, like, it was just a street mutt from, like, Mexico, Baja. litter of 11 puppies. The mother is like just a street mutt from like Mexico, Baja.

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