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The Rest Is Politics

501. Is Starmer Too Soft on Trump? Inside the Munich Security Conference

The Rest Is Politics

Goalhanger

News, Politics, Government

4.511.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Why did Trump's Secretary of State Marco Rubio 'love bomb' Europe at the Munich Security Conference, and how did it compare to JD Vance's infamous 'enemy within' speech this time last year? Is Europe united enough in the face of Trump 2.0? Has Starmer failed to grasp the scale of the rupture posed by Trump's new world order, or is he trying to buy time? Join Rory and Alastair as they answer all these questions and more, direct from the Munich Security Conference. __________ Sign up for our free newsletter at therestispolitics.com. Join The Rest Is Politics Plus: Start your free trial at therestispolitics.com to unlock exclusive bonus content – including Rory and Alastair’s miniseries – plus ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, an exclusive members’ newsletter, discounted book prices, and a private chatroom on Discord. The Rest Is Politics is powered by Fuse Energy. To sign up and for terms and conditions, visit fuseenergy.com/politics. Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ nordvpn.com/restispolitics It's risk-free with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee ✅ __________ Instagram: @restispolitics Twitter: @restispolitics Email: therestispolitics@goalhanger.com __________ Social Producer: Celine Charles Video Editor: Kieron Leslie Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne Producer: Evan Green Senior Producer: Callum Hill General Manager: Tom Whiter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Thanks for listening to The Restis Politics.

0:02.0

To support the podcast, listen without the adverts and get early access to episodes and live show tickets, go to the rest is politics.com.

0:09.0

That's the rest is politics.com.

0:16.0

Welcome to the Restis Politics with me, Rory Stewart.

0:22.7

And me, Anast Campbell.

0:23.6

And we're doing something quite radical here, which is our main episode today is going to be located

0:27.9

in a time and a place.

0:29.8

We're going to bring you right into the heart of the Munich Security Conference.

0:33.7

We're recording it a little bit earlier than we normally would.

0:35.9

But I hope what you'll feel is that it to you a sense of the flavor of international diplomacy.

0:40.3

And then we'll do question time sometime early next week.

0:44.0

Very good.

0:44.8

We've also been really lucky to do some fantastic interviews, and we are being spoilt for choice for leading in the coming weeks.

0:51.7

So we have been talking here to Sarah McBride, this extraordinary

0:56.8

transgender congresswoman from Delaware. We've had a fantastic interview just now with Gavin Newsom,

1:03.1

who I am strongly encouraging to run for it, to go for it and try and get to the White House.

1:10.3

And also Alexander Stubb, the president

1:12.8

of Finland. And we've also got in the can, as it were, coming up soon, Rob Malley, who was

1:18.6

US administration's leading advisor on Iran and also the former German Chancellor, Olaf Schultz.

1:24.7

So we've been spoilt for choice. Sadly, we have not been able to pin down Marco Rubio, but who knows, one day we will.

1:30.9

So this is an episode where we're really going to try to bring you into two things. One of them is just a feeling of what these international conferences are like, what it's like to be here, the kind of things that people are talking about.

1:41.3

But then we're going to get, I think, into the biggest issues, which is what is now happening in the big international relations, particularly between Europe and

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