Welcome to Dun & Done. I'm Alicia, your hostess on this podcast journey,

All Things Dominic Dunn, where nothing is linear and everything is connected.

Investigators, I couldn't even sit on this for a whole other week to drop it to you.

Martin Turnbull, prolific author of Hollywood's Garden of Alla series dropped by our done-and-done studio

last week for a far-reaching conversation about old Hollywood with us. Spiderwebs galore. We talk

about the Garden of Alla and the Hollywood canteen and the expansion of Los Angeles through time and

all the players and all the people. I hope that you will enjoy this conversation as much as I

loved having it with Martin. Old Hollywood. So many spiderwebs. So little time. Let's investigate.

Martin Turnbull, I can't believe you are here.

Thank you so much for joining us today.

Oh, thank you, Alicia.

It's great to be part of the Dun & Dunn family of spider webs.

So many spider webs.

I was lucky enough to run into your Garden of All stories years ago. So when we covered that episode, naturally, your description was just fantastic.

And I love your work about it.

So we opened with that quote and you were kind enough to reach out and kind enough to accept my pitch to say,

hey, do you want to come on and talk about old Hollywood and the Garden of Allah with our investigators?

I was especially impressed with how you covered the garden of Ella because that hotel is the stuff of legends and Hollywood being

Hollywood some of the legends are true some of the legends are absolutely not true

some of them are intentionally manufactured by studio PR departments or biographers and so

there's there's a lot of misinformation and skewed information,

but it was a very special time during a very special place. And I thought you captured the

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