Okay, I'm here with the amazing Rachel Hollis,

Influencer, extraordinary, New York Times Best Seller,

author, multiple times over, but I want,

that's actually where I want to start,

because that's an achievement, but it seems to matter more to you than might be obvious.

It's symbolic to you in some way. Am I reading into this?

No, it was. It was a very big deal for me. I wanted

to be an author from the time I was 11 years old and realized that someone wrote the books that

I loved. and I actually started writing books as a

hobby which which is funny but I started writing many years, and I actually really love those beginning stages of writing

books that only a few people cared about, and the anonymity of being able to be awful and slowly try and get better. Books are one of my favorite

things in the whole world, so it feels like the sacred space to me to get to be a part of it.

And I slowly tried to just become a better writer with every book I really fought to become better and better and so there is something so poignant to me about being able to experience becoming a New York Times bestseller, but it wasn't until my sixth book.

And I think that's one of the most special things about my journey.

My husband just wrote his first book and it came out and he immediately made the list and

that is its own special kind of amazing,

but I'm so glad that's not my story.

Because I can tell you that I appreciate it so much more because I had to fight to achieve it.

In almost anything you do I think you have to stop with the courage to be rubbish.

Yes, absolutely. and nothing is that

truer than in writing because all writing starts rubbish all of it. 100% in

fact I when we spoke at the beginning of quarantine I'm in week 10 and I don't remember when you and I spoke it it was at the very early stages of at all

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