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The Big Picture

5. ‘No Country for Old Men’ and ‘W.’ | Mission Accomplished

The Big Picture

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.35.2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 August 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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A pair of tough Texas dramas reckon with the bleakness of the Bush years—resulting in two of the most unpredictable films of the early 2000s. Host: Brian Raftery Producers: Devon Baroldi, Brian Raftery, and Vikram Patel Sound Design: Devon Baroldi Mixing and Mastering: Scott Somerville Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

On the night of November 7, 2000, Oliver Stone sat down to watch the results of the presidential election between Al Gore and George W. Bush.

0:11.4

As the results started coming in, and it looked like Bush might win, Stone told me he was feeling worried.

0:19.1

It was very scary to me that I thought something was fucked up, frankly.

0:24.9

He'd actually met Bush a year before the election, during an event for graduates of Yale

0:28.9

University.

0:30.3

He was a very cheery man and gentlemanly, but certainly there was a hint that there

0:36.0

was something behind him.

0:40.3

Stone got the feeling that Bush was being controlled by others, that they dictated the way he talked and the way he thought.

0:44.3

There was a sense of a brainwashed president, I'd say.

0:48.3

Everything was very programmed, like a Manchurian candidate.

0:52.3

In early 2001, after Bush had been sworn in, Stone tried to remain optimistic.

0:58.0

I didn't know where the country was going, and I was kind of hoping that, you know, you always wish a new president well, no matter what, even if you don't like them.

1:06.0

But after the terrorist attacks of September 11th and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Stone's

1:12.0

goodwill toward the new president disappeared. He believed that the Bush administration had rushed

1:17.0

into battle without thinking.

1:18.9

They declared the enemy before they even knew who they were, and they started to impose

1:23.3

all kinds of emergency nature. They created a state of emergency in the country.

1:27.6

Like this was the worst thing that had ever happened in the United States.

1:35.0

From the 1980s through the 2000s, Stone was one of the most influential writer-directors in the world.

1:41.1

A filmmaker whose big ideas about American history, some of which were very controversial, shifted how many Americans felt about the world. A filmmaker whose big ideas about American history, some of which were very

1:45.0

controversial, shifted how many Americans felt about the country's darker moments. As a Vietnam

1:50.8

war vet, he looked at the violence of that conflict and its aftermath in movies like Platoon and born

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